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March 8, 2001 |
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:40:54 -0500 From: "Donald J. Barry" <don@astro.cornell.edu> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: Stallman's position on OGG/VORBIS Dear LWN: I take gentle issue with your ascription to Richard Stallman of an a desire for "a more restrictive licensing for libraries." In doing so, you are under the mistaken belief that the GPL is in fact somehow less free than the BSD license. This entirely depends upon your point of view. To a user, software freedom encompasses such issues as, "will this software continue to be developed in the public sphere?", "will I find that my hardware is now only supported by a proprietary fork?", "will someone else take software I have contributed to and commercialize the results?". In this core sense, the GPL is the most free of all the licenses. I can understand Stallman's decision to tactically endorse a flexible strategy in the case of OGG/Vorbis. But here's to FREE software for just about everything else. Don Barry, Cornell University | ||
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:04:52 -0500 From: Thomas Hood <jdthoodREMOVETHIS@yahoo.co.uk> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: Stallman on Freedom and the American Way RMS's latest article comes on the heels of a Microsoft executive's insinuation that the free software movement is un-American. Stallman's reaction is to accept the presupposition that the American Way is the one true path, and to argue that the GPL is faithful to this path because it accords with the principles of the American revolution. Stallman uses Allchin's comments as an opportunity to make the point (again) that there is a difference between the way the GPL promotes freedom and the way that a BSD-style "open source" license grants it. Whereas a BSD license grants the licensee freedom to do whatever he or she likes with the licensed code, including the freedom to adapt the code and not publish the changes, the GPL restricts the licensee's freedom in this respect in order to guarantee another freedom---the freedom of other people to see any code derived from the licensed code. It is the fact that the GPL promotes freedom in this way that RMS thinks makes the GPL truly American. But this is disingenuous. Stallman is not being entirely frank about the ultimate goals of the free software movement. I think we should be frank. There is no point in fighting a war of propaganda. There is no denying the accusation that one of the main aims of the free software movement is a socialistic one. I don't really care that in the U.S.A., calling something "socialist" means that it is soon called "communist" and then "Stalinist" and then (worst of all!) "un-American". Sticks and stones. One of the advantages of the free software movement being so international as it is, is that it ought to be easier for us to think outside the box of American political discourse. The GPL is socialistic in that it is designed to promote a social goal, which is the establishment of a archive of free software and a community of developers dedicated to enlarging and enhancing it. Ultimately it may occur that this body of software becomes so extensive and attractive that it becomes indispensible---that it becomes a public-domain homologue for what Microsoft software is now. The goal is to revolutionize the means of production of software and to establish a new mode of software distribution: To each according to his need; from each according to his ability. If the movement is successful---if GPLed software becomes "the standard"---then it will be more difficult for software companies to make money selling proprietary software. So the free software movement is not only socialistic in its goals, but dangerous to a certain form of capitalism too. In the case of Microsoft Corporation, the movement is openly hostile. To those who complain that these goals aren't the American Way, let us simply say: Well, if that's true, then so much the worse for the American Way. Thomas Hood jdthood_AT_yahoo.co.uk | ||
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:48:59 -0500 From: Luke Seubert <lseubert@radix.net> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: Will Mozilla 1.1.1 be released in 2001? Will it even matter? Once again, the Mozilla project has fallen behind schedule, and the release date for Mozilla 1.0 has been pushed back. Details on the new roadmap may be found at: http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html The new roadmap reveals, among other things, the worst case assumptions of Mozilla developers, showing that Mozilla might only reach version 0.9.6 in late 4Q 2001 if there are a lot of problems. While we all hope this will not be the case, the dreadfully slow pace of Mozilla development over these past three years does little to discourage pessimism in this regard. The situation is even worse for those folks who prefer high quality, feature complete, bug free software. Common sense and experience tell us to distrust 1.0 or 2.0 releases. Whether proprietary, open source, or free software; x.0 version programs usually have too many flaws. The recent release of KDE 2.1 is a good example of this in that it fulfills the promises of KDE 2.0, now that it has a more complete feature set, and far fewer bugs. Mozilla likewise will probably not be truly ready for prime time until Mozilla 1.1.1, which under best case assumptions won't happen until late 3Q 2001. Frankly, given the endless delays in the Mozilla project, it is not reasonable to expect a truly superb and complete browser until 4Q 2001 at the earliest, and more likely sometime in the first half of 2002 instead. This could mean a total of four years for Mozilla to achieve the promise made back in 1998 of a high quality, standards compliant, free software, cross platform, integrated browser. But will Mozilla even matter when it achieves true maturity, especially in the Linux and *BSD worlds, which is the one place where Mozilla has its best chance of success? Consider that Konqueror, Galeon, and the closed source Opera browser are all maturing quite rapidly. Combine these browsers with your favorite GUI email client, newsreader, chat program, and HTML composer, and you can have all the features and power promised by Mozilla - but now, not "someday". In war, an old axiom states that an imperfect battle plan implemented quickly and with vigor will always beat the perfect strategy that is a day late in coming. Mozilla seeks to be the perfect browser/composer/email&news&chat client that is all things to all people on all platforms, and it may well achieve that goal. But by the time the goal is achieved, the battle may well be long over. Luke Seubert | ||
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 03:32:29 -0600 From: Saber <fool@elven.org> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: quit crowing about DeCSS availability! The last two LWN frontpages have smirkingly (is that a word :o) boasted of how easy it is to get a copy of DeCSS even though the Bad Guys have been spending a lot of effort to attack individuals spreading DeCSS. So what? Heck, we can crash a bunch of punks into the courtrooms wearing DeCSS t-shirts, but does that mean we're winning? Given: you cannot stop geeks from bootlegging bits. Problem: that's nothing compared to true freedom. Will fancy software violating DMCA provisions reach consumers? No. Saber Taylor http://elven.org/saber/ | ||
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 18:29:31 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Permutt <tompermutt@home.com> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: Napster, "the music industry," and free music I always enjoy your writing, and usually agree with your point of view. I am disturbed, however, by your recent comments on Napster and "the music industry." When you write about software, you carefully distinguish the proprietary software industry from the free software community. Furthermore, you have taken pains to distinguish advocates of free software from advocates of acquiring proprietary software for free. The overwhelming majority of musicians belong to something analogous to the free software community. Some create music for love. Some support themselves by providing teaching and other services. Some have jobs related to music where their most creative work is indulged as an adjunct to what makes money. We honor one another's ideas by copying them, disseminating them, adapting and improving them. There are ethical constraints on this borrowing, but they have little to do with copyright. We are pretty free with sources because what we respect is the ability to do something with them. All this must be very familiar to you and your readers. A tiny minority of musicians are associated with what you call "the music industry": the mass-market, recorded, popular music industry. Most musicians have little interest in these products. Many of us feel they are of inferior quality; many of us believe this industry is inimical to the advancement of the art; but most of us just don't care about it. We recognize, however, that the products are accessible, successfully marketed, and very popular. The users of Napster, it seems to me, are overwhelmingly people who want this kind of music, and want it for free. I hold no brief for the producers whose products they appropriate, any more than I shed tears for the members of the Software Publishers Association. I fail to see, however, why advocates of free software should make common cause with these nonpaying consumers of proprietary products. I am mystified by these words: "Piracy is not the issue. It is, instead, a dishonest smokescreen put up by those who feel that a lucrative business is threatened by new technologies." Unlike free software, the threat is not from new products, but from new, unauthorized methods of disseminating proprietary products. If there is such a thing as "piracy," what else can it be? Tom Permutt tompermutt@home.com | ||
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" <kend@flyingtoasters.net> To: <cdreward@riaa.com> Subject: An open letter to the RIAA: Jack Valenti meets Obi-Wan Kenobi It really is interesting, in the grand scheme of things: the Recording Industry Associationg of America (RIAA) is desperately fighting a battle in the judicial system to shut down sites such as Napster. It even appears as if they are winning. The ironic, and, truthfully, sad part, however, is that they Just Don't Get It: instead of fighting Napster, and trying to hold back technology (neo-Luddites of the world, untie!), they should be seeing this as a grand opportunity to expand their horizons. However, the RIAA is interested in one thing, really: money. Sure, they dress their fight up as if they were fighting for the poor, starving artists, but it's the record labels that they really care about, because that's where Mr. Valenti finds his paychecks coming from. And so, in an attempt to keep their money, the are, instead, about to throw it away. It is likely in the extreme that Napster will be shut down in the very near future -- it's virtually impossible for them to keep copyrighted music off "their" service, since the music is really on the PCs of people scattered across the country. While they can certainly cut out names of songs that are copyrighted, schemes (such as putting them into pig Latin) are already in the works to circumvent this, and it's unlikely the courts will care. Therefore, I believe that Napster will, eventually, go away. So where does Ben Kenobi come into the picture? If you think back to Star Wars, when Ben Kenobi is fighting Darth Vader, he says, "Strike me down, and I will come back more powerful than you can imagine." This is clearly the case with the RIAA -- they obviously have no idea that they are currently digging their own grave. Instead of working with a centralized "authority" such as Napster, to provide clients with easy, paid, access to copyrighted material, they are going to squash the centralized authority... and decentralized MP3 (etc.) sites will instead crop up to fill the void. Instead of having one tangible "foe," they will now have thousands, if not millions, of sites, scattered throughout the world, in different jurisdictions, running different software, all distributing (unpaid!) copyrighted material. If it's done right, it will even be untraceable. There are probably just a few days left wherein the RIAA could actually use Pandora's box for synergy; after they shut down Napster, however, they will have won the battle, which will make their losing the war a virtual certainty. Instead of helping bring their artists into a more accessible form of distribution, they will have slammed the lid shut on a what could have been an unparalleled form of legal IP propagation, and will have ensured that piracy, in heretofore unseen amounts, occurs. Bottom line: the RIAA is the artist's (and studio's) own worst enemy. The Internet is here, but, instead of taking advantage of the single largest peacetime economic engine ever, they're trying to fight it, and are now doomed to fail -- hurting the very people they purport to represent. It's really just sad; sad, and pathetic. If I were a member of the RIAA, I would certainly be calling for Jack Valenti's resignation right about now, because it's 100% clear that he doesn't understand the forces at work, and is causing infinitely more damage for both his clients, and the users of the material, than would someone who understood, and *utilized*, technology. Sincerely, Ken D'Ambrosio | ||
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 07:56:20 +0800 From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net> To: bkproffitt@home.com Subject: wrong planet You wrote here http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3064/1/ that: > I started laughing very loudly when I saw the latest IBM ad for Linux. [...] > Linux is hardly at its best these days, now is it? It's never been better, and will always be better. IBM's ad shows that they have learned something from Microsoft's upending of the chessboard halfway through the passionfingering of OS/2. Many people are not aware that Microsoft VMS, derived from Digital's Mica project and better known as Windows NT, was originally called ``OS/2 NT'' (the name was changed when Windows 3 sold well). IBM have an exceptionally clear understanding, pounded home by bitter experience, that if Microsoft get control of the basic protocols that run the Internet, everyone else is dead meat. They are doing with Linux as Sun are doing with StarOffice: starving Microsoft of opportunities for unfair leverage. Regardless of how well they (or others) do in the marketplace, IBM understand that uless they adopt and push an Open (Libre) platform, they and everyone else will eventually become a Microsoft-controlled zombie, absorbed into what many people half-joking call The Borg, a corporate Microserf. You may not think that's so bad (and many people would agree), but the survival rate of corporate Microserfs is not an encouraging one. Peace, Love and Linux is entirely appropriate. IBM are no angels, but they (and everyone else) need a certain amount of freedom (not unlike the freedoms espoused in the Sixties) to survive, and they know it, and unlike most of the dazed, confused IT corporations out there, are doing something about it. Time will tell, but I suspect that IBM will come out of this as a butterfly from a chrysalis, clear of vision and strong of purpose as in the Sixties, but having lost a lot of the bully from its character. Even if they don't, their support for Open internet infrastructure is a worthy cause, and needs your support, not your scorn. -- It's not that I'm afraid to die. I just don't want to be there when it happens. -- Woody Allen | ||
To: letters@lwn.net From: sharkey@superk.physics.sunysb.edu Subject: Another take on Jim Allchin's statements Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:41:31 -0500 There's be a lot of hullabaloo lately regarding Jim Allchin's statements cautioning against the government getting involved in the development of works to be licensed under the GPL. (See http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010220/tc/microsoft_clarifies_exec_s_open-source_concerns_1.html) I've read very many broad interpretations of these remarks, but, in this case I think it's better to give Mr. Allchin the benefit of the doubt and interpret his remarks more narrowly. What he is cautioning against is the use of the GPL for "taxpayer-funded software development". What people seem to forget is that the history of copyright law seems to support Mr. Allchin's position. You have to remember that the whole purpose of intellectual property law is to increase creativity and innovation among private citizens, not from within the government itself. Because of this, government works are not eligible for copyright protection. (See http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#piu) Government works are put into the public domain immediately. That's how we ended up with copies of the Starr Report on bookshelves across the country seemingly within minutes of its release. Anyone can print copies of government works and do just about whatever they like with them. Now, I don't necessarily think this is a good thing. I'd love to see the U.S. government start to fund software development much the way science is funded now, but copyright law, as it is now, wouldn't seem to allow this to be done using a license as restrictive as the GPL, and without copyright, the GPL has no teeth. Copyright law is always in a state of flux and you can certainly imagine that the amount of congressional activity needed to establish a National Software Foundation would be large compared to the relatively small addendum to copyright law that would be needed to control federally funded software with copyright, but Mr. Allchin is taking the conservative view that copyright restrictions should continue to be a right of the public alone. You can agree or disagree with this position, but I don't really see Jim Allchin expressing this point of view being Microsoft's attempt "to create a cloud around the GPL" or "create a split in the free source community" or any other such nonsense. It's just a conservative statement from a conservative person who works for a conservative company. No real surprises there. Eric Sharkey sharkey@superk.physics.sunysb.edu | ||
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 21:30:22 +0000 From: Thomas Sippel - Dau <t.sippel-dau@ic.ac.uk> To: letters@lwn.net Subject: Three cheers for Jim Allchin and Microsoft's Freedom to Innovate Hello, reading again after two weeks what Jim Allchin said about Open Source software destroying innovation, I think he has a point, and is quite right to be worried. He is also right to be worried that legislators should understand this. The state has the power to force people to do some things in a particular way. Take driving. The state forces me (in Britain) to drive on the left hand side of the road, in America, on the right. This stifles innovation. A manufacturer trying to build a killer product round driving on the "other" side will simply get nowhere. The state can also decide between two competing products, both for its own use, and for forcing people to use it. Often it tries to be scrupulously neutral between competitors. But if there is a with-cost and a cost-free choice, choosing the with-cost one, and asking people to fork out for that is very difficult. For the last eight years or so Microsoft had a two pronged marketing strategy. One side was build around "making it easier". Microsoft claimed to make computer use feasible for all those who can claim "I don't understand all this technology stuff". Having on your side the people who cheerfully claim to be too stupid to understand is a powerful weapon. It is almost impossible to argue against, because those who claim to be too stupid to understand will give you about two minutes to coonvince them otherwise, and then walk away because they can't understand your arguments. This a wonderful strategy to employ when marketing to schools, for example. Yes, the software is not free, but it costs little and is so easy to use, and the little ones are not technically versed enough to use the somewhat uncouth cheaper or free software. But if the free software works well enough, this argument no longer holds. Software does not need to be brilliant - the Microsoft offerings are a splendid case in point. Good enough software at a low cost or free (as in free beer) is an explosive mixture. The second prong of Microsoft's marketing strategy was "innovation", under this motto it has for some time waged war on its customers, and against all the rules it has been getting away with it. It has been doing this by ensnaring people, and in particular organisations, into the upgrade treadmill. Similar practices are common in many industries, fashion, for example, or cars, where buying last years model is not really the done thing. With computers, due to the fact that there is still rapid technical development, people would of course like to have a newer, faster computer. Just as they would like to have a newer car, or a new carpet in their office. Organisations have long been able to deal with that. But with software innovation, especially if done the Microsoft way, this is not the case. If a few people in an organization get a newer version of Office, and those on last years cannot read the documents they any more, then the organisation cannot just ignore that. Of course, it could tell people with the shiny new boxes to shape up and save their documents in last year's format, or a compatible one like html. But hey, "I am too stupid to understand all this technical stuff, I just click the 'Save' button, and it saves it. And I got this new computer setup with these easy to use features, and now you tell I should use it as if the stone age had never ended". Explaining why people should use compatible file formats costs time, at least two hours for every hour of explanation (one person to do the exxplaining, the other the listening). And all that because the employer is too mean to give everybody halfways decent kit. Why not save this time and spend a few cents on software - the others will have to upgrade eventually anyway. As far as innovation marketing goes, Microsoft's software upgrade strategy seems to me a lot closer to that of a glazier that pays thugs to smash windows than to that of a fashion designer or motor company that makes last years model obsolete. If there is free software available, than such a strategy does not work any more, its impossible to undercut the price of the free (as in beer) software, and where new features are actually wanted people will build them into free (as in GNU) software. And if there is a cost conscious Big User (like the state) going to use free software, then Microsoft's strategy is in tatters. About two years ago there was an initiative in Austria and Germany to ensure that public procurements consider an Open Source or free alternatve. I guess Jim Allchin wanted to remind us that the free software is now good enough for those who "do not understand all that technical stuff", and who "just want to get their work done". I, for one, would like to thank him for that. Thomas * Why not use metric units and get it right first time, every time ? * * email: cmaae47 @ imperial.ac.uk * voice: +4420-7594-6912 (day) * fax: +4420-7594-6958 * snail: Thomas Sippel - Dau * Linux Services Manager * Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine * The Center for Computing Services * Exhibition Road * Kensington SW7 2BX * Great Britain | ||
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