Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:56:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com> To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Announce] BKL shifting into drivers and filesystems - beware On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > I claim: > Free software development is about minimising information exchange and knowledge > of external modules. Indeed. Note that when it comes to the ->release() BKL semantics, what people don't apparently don't appreciate is the fact that Al Viro actually grepped for all release functions, and updated all the ones in the standard kernel. His announcement and warning was about _external_ modules, exactly because external modules have this problem where they cannot be updated automatically when something changes. This is why a central kernel repository is so nice: most of the time when something changes, we can fix everything in one go, and people don't have to be all that aware of the changes. It's not always true: some of the VFS changes (namely the page cache write-through etc) were _so_ intrusive that it was hard to make the fix-ups available, and as a result a number of filesystems were left in a broken state. And quite often the "grep for places to change" approach misses a few (this, btw, is why I've grown to love the new syntax for structure initializers: it's a h*ll of a lot easier to do a "grep 'release:' *.c" than it is to try to figure out where the different "release" entries are initialized). But the fact that we need a big kernel repository right now does not necessarily mean that we'll need one forever. With good enough interfaces that people can truly feel happy about, it would be possible to split stuff up one day. That is, after all, how the system call interfaces work, and is what allows us to split the kernel from everything else. Of course, usually what is "good enough" one day ends up being "really bad" the next when some clever bastard came up with the really good way of doing something.. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/