From:	 Arjen Markus <Arjen.Markus@wldelft.nl>
To:	 Dr.Dobb's.Tcl-URL.distribution@starbase.neosoft.com
Subject: Dr. Dobb's Tcl-URL! - weekly Tcl news and links (Nov  5)
Date:	 Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:12:30 -0600 (CST)

QOTWs:  "Well they spent the millions on useless tools and years of
disappointments and failed projects, but we built our little system
... and it continues [to work today]."  James Garrison

"The code should serve the GUI rather than the other way around."
Bryan Oakley

"Tcl is a rich multi-purpose C library with a powerful configuration
language."  Richard Suchenwirth

"[In contrast to Perl, Tcl] worked right out of the box!!  It execs
stored procedures beautifully, predictably."  Rob Pecherer

    Tcl 8.3.4 goes final on October 22nd!  This includes the latest
    bug fixes and patches to the stable 8.3 line.
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=72bcfe8ece230b5f
    Tcl 8.3.4 Mac OS 8-9 binaries are available.
	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10894
    ActiveState has Windows, Linux and Solaris binaries available as
    ActiveTcl 8.3.4.1.  Watch out if you have 8.3.3.2 already installed!
	http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActiveTcl/
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=efa3203536c66812

    Windows XP look and feel is in the mind of many people: colours,
    widgets and non-ASCII characters.  Note, in particular, George
    Petasis' lovely minimal Tk core patch.
        http://groups.google.com/groups?th=4a5808477602caaf
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=2e6f57e3ce0a823e

    O'Reilly Network publishes an article on Tcl for Mac OS X. Pity
    that they underestimate the networking powers of Tcl and first
    of all want to use it for test automation.
        http://groups.google.com/groups?th=353e45a014e8b1bd

    Configuration changes often lead to (unnecessary) upgrades of our
    software.
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=2cd51695417e3ff5

    Come to think of it: whatever happened to the Tcl/Tk conferences?
    Some people (this week's editor included) feel they are still a
    very good thing!
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=7235c94b26d8be3d

    Andreas Otto, George Petasis and David Gravereaux discuss
    the merits and problems of cross-compiling Tcl at length.   
        http://groups.google.com/groups?th=68d208ae430d0dee

    Any one working with Tk GUIs has the same problem and very similar
    solutions: build the widgets in one place and handle the data in
    another. Is this worth a tutorial? Perhaps translate Smalltalk's
    MVC model to good Tcl/Tk practices?
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=a7541dab48c41c07

    Let us participate in the maintenance and improvement of Tcllib:
    some people convert to Python, because of its vast resources in
    one single place.
	http://groups.google.com/groups?th=f37788eafa8fd61b
    

Everything you want is probably one or two clicks away in these pages:

    The "Welcome to comp.lang.tcl" message by Andreas Kupries
        http://www.purl.org/net/tcl-welcome

    Larry Virden maintains a comp.lang.tcl FAQ launcher
        http://www.purl.org/NET/Tcl-FAQ/

    Brent Welch maintains "The Tcl Developer Xchange", a highly
    organized resource center of documents and software with
    provisions for individuals to "set up a link to your software
    and update ... as you release new versions."
        http://www.tcl-tk.net/resource/
    The Xchange sponsor also keeps info to convince your boss Tcl
    is a good thing
        http://www.tcl-tk.net/scripting/      

    The Tcl'ers Wiki is a huge, dynamic, collaboratively edited repository
    of documentation, examples, tutorials and pontifications on all things Tcl.
        http://purl.org/mini/tcl/0
    For the ideal overview of the topics about Tcl most likely to
    interest a newcomer, see "Arts and Crafts ..."
	http://purl.org/mini/tcl/969

    NeoSoft has a comp.lang.tcl contributed sources archive
        http://www.neosoft.com/tcl/contributed-software/

    Cameron Laird tracks many Tcl/Tk references of interest
        http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/comp.lang.tcl/

    Cetus Links maintains a Tcl/Tk page with verified links
        http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_tcl_tk.html

    Google Groups archives comp.lang.tcl.announce posts
	http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tcl_announce/   

Previous - (U)se the (R)esource, (L)uke! - messages are listed here:
  http://purl.org/thecliff/tcl/url.html
--in principal.  In spring 2001, though,
  http://www.ddj.com/topics/tclurl/
  http://tcl.activestate.com:8004/tclurl/
are more consistently up-to-date.  A fourth possibility is                 
  http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&as_q=+Tcl-URL!&as_ugroup=comp.lang.tcl  

Suggestions/corrections for next week's posting are always welcome.

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