Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: "William R. Kerr" <bilker@SpiritOne.com> To: redhat-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: RedHat for "Merced" Unconfirmed rumors below. Note also that they form a chain, so any one might turn the whole lot into wasted bandwidth (not that I'm overly concerned on that score). First, some facts: 1. Merced's native architecture is 64-bit, with an extremely interesting instruction and register set. Given some really good compilers, in native mode, it will really scream. 2. Merced also supports a mode that "emulates" (not precisely accurate) a Pentium. Using this feature, all sorts of legacy x86 systems will run with existing binaries. Without this capability of hosting the enormous body of existing OS's and apps., it is likely that no one would be interested in Merced at all. Now the unconfirmed. I think all of this is true, but I can't prove it. 1. The CMOS process used to fabricate the first generation of Merceds is older (i.e., larger and slower) than that used in PII's. Therefore, when legacy x86 systems/apps are run, they will run *slower* than on a PII (and perhaps slower than on 233Mhz Pentiums). 2. Microsoft is not planning on porting NT to the native Merced architecture. (Say what?!!! Yep, this is fairly definite. Microsoft's plate is currently full with NT5, Win98, ACPI, etc. Hey, it's not as though they have thousands of talented programmers on 6 continents.) deductive commentary: NT will run on Merced, but *slower* than on a PII. Given that Merced is more expensive and generates more (a *lot* more) heat, the obvious question is "why bother?" 3. Intel, recognizing that availability of software sells processors, is taking steps to avoid the above deduction. They are investigating several tracks at once: a) Intel is attempting to port NT to native Merced. (This is *really* unconfirmed, probably the most unconfirmed item here. But, it is a definite probability. Well, likely, really. If MS won't port NT, someone should. Right?) b) Intel, wishing to place its eggs in more than the Redmond basket, is porting one or more commercial Unix systems to the native Merced architecture. HP-UX, of course (due to partnership with HP in Merced design), also (possibly) SCO (yucch). There are some partnership relationships involved here (according to rumor). commentary: remember the Pentium math bug? One of the things that is rumored to have fallen out of that is that Intel became aware that a *lot* of people are running non-MS systems on x86. Apparently, this was news to upper management, despite years of flogging Xenix. And it got them thinking that Intel might not need be forever joined at the hip to MS. c) Finally, (and this is whatcha came for, folks) it is rumored that there is a small, semi-official effort in Intel to port Linux to the native Merced. You can list the reasons why this rumor could be true: Intel needs to do *some* sort of system-level testing of the native instruction set; no one knows the eventual commercial importance of Linux; millions of people buy Intel chips today to run Linux; part-time work by a handful of Intel engineers costs virtually nothing, especially when coupled with validation testing; Intel wants to sell processors, not subsidize Gates, etc. Grain of salt folks. I don't know that this stuff is true, but I've heard it through multiple, non-proprietary channels, and it makes sense. A plausible (and really cool) outcome: next year Linux screams on native 64-bit Merceds while NT is relegated to plodding on slow x86 emulation. As if NT needs processor assistance to be slow. Man, talk about a pie in the face. Gimme a bogomip number. :) -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail redhat-list-request@redhat.com with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.